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Post by Helen Kim on Aug 24, 2013 11:43:49 GMT -4
Ah! So sorry these are late, I've had suchhh a busy week and I've had literally no time to get on to do these. Let me start off by saying congratulations ladies! This was not the F2 I would have expected at all, which makes it very interesting. I'll start with my homegirl.
Elissa, my advice to you is to take a breath and really evaluate this game. You're weaving so many exaggerated stories and it's not working because we're preaching to the choir. We all know how the game went down, and your allegations about the big moves you've made are not adding up. So right here, right now, I want you to reevaluate your game. Be humble, be honest. I'm giving you the outlet to truly state how your game went down. If you can be honest with me for once then you'll probably get my vote.
Chima, I do not view you as the strong quasi underdog player that everyone else seems to. On Day One, countless people came to me saying that you were going to be SO annoying and I told them "Hey, give her a chance!" I gave you a chance way back then and you did nothing but drag me in the mud every chance you got. You completely blindsided me for no reason, you nominated me again, all game that I tried to talk with you went right back to Ivette and Gina which I had to do MAJOR damage control over. I had your back in this game, but the "big moves" you made only tarnished the trust your biggest supporter had to you. Since you've lied to me many times this game, I want to see if it's personal or if it's how you played the game. Give me a list of every lie you can remember telling.
For both of you, since you both made it there and we're all out here, I want you to give each juror constructive criticism on their game. What could they do better if they're picked for BBStyle All Stars? Another BB game? Or even a Survivor game? Find the major flaw in everyone's game and teach them how to play better.
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Post by chima on Aug 24, 2013 12:34:05 GMT -4
 ON DAY ONE COUNTLESS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WOULD COME AND SAY I'M ANNOYING? SO? IT LOOKS LIKE I ENDED UP WORKING WITH THEM TOO. AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE *YOU* TOLD THEM TO GIVE ME A CHANCE THAT I *HAVE* TO BE ENDEBTED TO YOU THE ENTIRE GAME. YOU WERE ALWAYS THINKING YOU WERE BEING ON TOP OF EVERYTHING AND YOU ALWAYS ASSUMED EVERYTHING. THE ROUND I BECAME HOH, I TOLD PEOPLE I WOULD MAYBE PUT UP ELISSA BECAUSE I NEEDED TO LET PEOPLE THINK I WOULD THINK ABOUT PUTTING HER UP WHEN I KNEW SHE WAS JUST NOT AN OPTION AT ALL. HERE'S A CONVERSATION WITH ELISSA ON WEEK THREE, I REDLINED SOMETHING. THEN TO GINA: ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS? YOU DID NOTHING THAT SAVED HER ASS. NOTHING REVELANT AT LEAST FROM OUR CONVERSATION. IS THIS REALLY HOW YOU FELT ABOUT ME ON DAY ONE? THAT YOU 'SAVED MY ASS'? REALLY? BECAUSE IF THAT'S REALLY THE SAME THING I DON'T THINK YOU SAVED ME THAT MUCH. I THINK I SAVED MYSELF WITH MY OWN SOCIAL BONDS WITH OTHER PLAYERS. AND I CONSTANTLY PUT YOU ON THE BLOCK AND YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO STILL THINK I'M WITH YOU? NOW YOU ASK ME IF PUTTING YOU UP WAS PERSONAL OR STRATEGIC. EVEN THOUGH YOUR ATTITUDE ANNOYED ME, NEVER THAT PUTTING YOU UP WAS PERSONAL. I DID NOT HAVE PERSONAL ISSUES WITH ANYBODY IN THE GAME BESIDES NICK. WEEK THREE, YOU WERE THE BEST OPTION TO PUT UP AGAINST NICK, AND IT WAS THE SMARTEST THING I COULD DO, WHICH CAN'T BE DENIED BECAUSE HE WENT HOME AND SHIT HIT THE FAN THAT ROUND. YOU WERE 'COMPLETELY BLINDSIDED', YEAH... BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU WERE BEING MY ONLY BOND AT THE TIME, AND MAYBE THAT SHOULD HAVE RAISED YOU SOME RED FLAGS TOO. FINAL SEVEN, I PUT YOU UP AGAINST ELISSA BECAUSE I WANTED ELISSA & WILL TO BE THE FINAL NOMINATIONS, BUT I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO SAVE ELISSA WITH A VETO AND THEN I WOULD END UP HAVING TO PUT UP IVETTE OR GINA ON THE BLOCK. FINAL FOUR, I EVICTED YOU BECAUSE MY PLAN WAS TO BRING ELISSA WITH ME TO THE FINALES AND IT'S NOT LIKE I REALLY DID OWE YOU ANYTHING. AND MY LIES? I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER MOST OF THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE EITHER WHITE LIES OR POINTLESS LIES. YOU SAY EVERYTHING I SAID TO YOU WOULD GO BACK TO GINA & IVETTE, I'M NOT LYING WHEN I SAY I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER DOING IT, SO THAT PROBABLY HAPPENED LIKE ONE TIME OR MAYBE NOT EVEN AT ALL. I DON'T LOOK AT THE PAST, I LOOK IN FRONT OF ME. I WILL GIVE MY CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM OF OTHER PLAYERS ON ANOTHER POST BY THE WAY. |
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Post by Helen Kim on Aug 24, 2013 13:14:37 GMT -4
You're the one who's assuming things, Chima. You know why Gina didn't use the veto on Poopdeck or Sam? SHE WANTED YOU GONE. Elissa wanted to backdoor you week fucking two and Gina and I talked and decided she shouldn't use the veto because we both wanted you here. This was back when Elissa, Gina, Gary and I were in a final four alliance so don't even say I was trying to "control" her or whatever. So yes, Gina and I DID save your ass week two, so don't come to me like I'm an idiot.
I heard from Ivette and Gina that if I wanted to keep Elissa safe, I had to come to you and campaign. And everything I said in my campaign was genuine and true, because YOU were the one I wanted to work with. Now maybe you can see why I was so upset that you nominated me week three, because when this game is over you will see how hard I worked to keep you off the block Week 2. Elissa lied to you, Chima, and you believed her over me. So really, there's no reason for you to be so bitchy and condescending in your answer to me. Because you're making yourself look like a fool when this game is over.
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Post by Helen Kim on Aug 24, 2013 13:17:47 GMT -4
And I never said that you should be indebted to me for sticking up for you. But when you look back, who was really there for you at the start of the game? Who would have been loyal to you had you not put me up Week 3? And no, your argument that "I was the only pawn that would definitely send Nick home" is completely invalid. I was going home until about an hour before the eviction when Janelle basically made the decision to save me. I was going home Week 3, so no, I couldn't believe that I was just a pawn that round. I was told that Elissa was going up, I talked to you, and you said you weren't putting Elissa up. So, really, how was I supposed to know that I didn't change the outcome of that situation?
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Post by chima on Aug 24, 2013 13:17:56 GMT -4
You're the one who's assuming things, Chima. You know why Gina didn't use the veto on Poopdeck or Sam? SHE WANTED YOU GONE. Elissa wanted to backdoor you week fucking two and Gina and I talked and decided she shouldn't use the veto because we both wanted you here. This was back when Elissa, Gina, Gary and I were in a final four alliance so don't even say I was trying to "control" her or whatever. So yes, Gina and I DID save your ass week two, so don't come to me like I'm an idiot. I heard from Ivette and Gina that if I wanted to keep Elissa safe, I had to come to you and campaign. And everything I said in my campaign was genuine and true, because YOU were the one I wanted to work with. Now maybe you can see why I was so upset that you nominated me week three, because when this game is over you will see how hard I worked to keep you off the block Week 2. Elissa lied to you, Chima, and you believed her over me. So really, there's no reason for you to be so bitchy and condescending in your answer to me. Because you're making yourself look like a fool when this game is over. WHY BEING SO STUCK UP TO A FUCKING WEEK 2? I SAID I HAD A MESIRABLE STANDING IN THE GAME UNTIL WEEK 3. AND YOU'RE BRINGING UP WEEK 2? COME ON, ELISSA LIED TO ME WEEK 2, BUT THIS GAME HAS CHANGED A FUCKING LOT SINCE MY HOH WIN. PLEASE, GIVE ME A BREAK. |
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Post by Helen Kim on Aug 24, 2013 13:20:58 GMT -4
I brought up week 2 because right now, we're talking about week 3. You're trying to make me look like an idiot when you're the one who has no idea what happened on Week 2. That's what I'm trying to get across to you. You burned a bridge with me week 3 and instead of trying to repair that bridge you shit on me even more.
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Post by chima on Aug 24, 2013 13:25:00 GMT -4
And I never said that you should be indebted to me for sticking up for you. But when you look back, who was really there for you at the start of the game? Who would have been loyal to you had you not put me up Week 3? And no, your argument that "I was the only pawn that would definitely send Nick home" is completely invalid. I was going home until about an hour before the eviction when Janelle basically made the decision to save me. I was going home Week 3, so no, I couldn't believe that I was just a pawn that round. I was told that Elissa was going up, I talked to you, and you said you weren't putting Elissa up. So, really, how was I supposed to know that I didn't change the outcome of that situation? NICK WAS STANDING IN A SPOT WHERE, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SAVED OVER PRETTY MUCH EVERY BODY ELSE, AND HE WAS MY THREAT, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO TAKE HIM DOWN IF I DON'T TAKE THE RISK OF PUTTING UP THE PERSON WHO HAS THE MOST POTENTIAL OF SENDING HIM HOME? ME & JANELLE HAD A TALK BEFORE MY REPLACEMENT NOMINEE AND THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION SHE WAS TRYING TO GET ME TO PUT UP GINA & GARY, TO SPLIT UP THE RUMORED GINA/GARY/NICK. PUTTING UP GARY OR GINA WOULD HAVE BEEN STUPID AS FUCK BECAUSE JANELLE, BOOGIE AND WILL ALL WOULD HAVE JUMPED ON GINA AND GARY AND NICK WOULD REMAIN IN THE HOUSE. ELISSA WOULD HAVE WENT HOME. PUTTING A CHILLTOWN UP WOULD GET PEOPLE AGAINST THEM. YOU WERE *THE* PLAYER TO PUT UP AGAINST NICK, GIRL. |
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Post by Helen Kim on Aug 24, 2013 13:31:24 GMT -4
You are quite possibly THE most obnoxious finalist I've ever questioned. I'm trying to tell you that you were so in the dark about everything and you do nothing but fight about how I'm wrong and you're right instead of actually listening to me. You have not listened to me AT ALL this game. You did what Chima wants and you didn't even care if it hurts your friends' games in the long run because you would not listen to them. I was wrong back then; we didn't have as strong of a connection as I thought we did, so thank you for affirming to me that no matter what I did to help you, you would still care less about me, back then and now. You've definitely solidified my vote.
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Post by chima on Aug 24, 2013 13:45:36 GMT -4
You are quite possibly THE most obnoxious finalist I've ever questioned. I'm trying to tell you that you were so in the dark about everything and you do nothing but fight about how I'm wrong and you're right instead of actually listening to me. You have not listened to me AT ALL this game. You did what Chima wants and you didn't even care if it hurts your friends' games in the long run because you would not listen to them. I was wrong back then; we didn't have as strong of a connection as I thought we did, so thank you for affirming to me that no matter what I did to help you, you would still care less about me, back then and now. You've definitely solidified my vote. *NODS* NOW LEAVE ME ALONE. |
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Post by chima on Aug 24, 2013 13:57:29 GMT -4
IVETTE - HER GAME WAS NEAR PERFECTION, BUT... I THINK SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE TALKED SO MUCH ABOUT THE JURY. SINCE FINAL FIVE SHE WOULD ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE JURY VOTES, AND EVEN ONCE SLIPPED OUT SHE COULD WIN OR IT WOULD GET CLOSE 4-3. YOU JUST DON'T DO THAT ESPECIALLY SO CLOSE TO THE END!! YOU WANT OTHER PLAYERS TO THINK YOU HAVE NO SHOT, NOT THAT YOU HAVE A SHOT. YOU EVEN HINTED THAT GINA SENT YOU ALL HER GAME NOTES TO YOU WHEN SHE LEFT. YOU NEVER SHOULD HAVE TOLD ANYONE THAT! I JUST THINK THESE WERE LITTLE MISTAKES, THAT IN ANOTHER GAME, COULD REALLY COST YOU THE GAME! HELEN - SHE ASSUMES TOO MUCH THAT PEOPLE ARE WITH HER OR THAT WHAT THEY TELL HER IS TRUE. SHE NEEDS TO ANALYSE WHAT HAPPENS AND WHEN SOMETHING NOT NORMAL HAPPENS - LIKE GOING ON THE BLOCK - IT SHOULD RAISE SOME RED FLAGS: YOU'RE NOT THEIR ONLY ALLY! DESPITE WHAT THEY TELL YOU. ACTIONS ALWAYS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. ERIC - OUR PARTNERSHIP COULD EASILY HAVE TAKEN OVER THIS GAME IF IT WAS NOT FOR ONE OF YOUR WEAKNESS IN THIS GAME: COMPETITIONS!! THE JOB OF MAKING IT TO THE FINAL FIVE WAS DONE, BUT IF YOU CAN'T PULL COMPETITION WINS, YOU WILL GET CUT SHORT IN A BIG BROTHER GAME! I KNOW OUTSIDE THIS GAME YOU'RE GOOD IN COMPETITIONS, BUT I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED OVER HERE TBH  GINA - I THINK HER FLAW IN THE GAME IS THAT WITH THE MASSIVE TARGET SHE HAD ON HER BACK, SHE SHOWED OFF TOO MUCH OF A COMPETITION THREAT THE ROUNDS SHE WAS NOT IN DANGER. LIKE IN THE OLYMPICS COMPETITIONS, FOR EXAMPLE. SHE SAVED HELEN, BUT ME & HELEN CAME IN SECOND PLACE AND ALL THREE OF US WERE SAVING HELEN FROM THE BLOCK. PEOPLE GOT RID OF GINA AND DID NOT GIVE HER A CHANCE AT THE SIX BECAUSE THEY WERE SCARED SHE WOULD DRAG EVERYONE IN THE MUD IN COMPETITIONS FOR THE NEXT TWO-THREE ROUNDS TO COME. HAD SHE NOT LOOKED SO STRONG, THEY MAYBE WOULD HAVE EVICTED ERIC INSTEAD AND NOT RISK A PAIR TO MAKE IT TO FINAL FIVE. WILL - I THINK WILL DID NOT PLAY *HARD* ENOUGH, I THINK HE SHOULD HAVE PLAYED MORE AGGRESIVELY. BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE BEING A TARGET AND YOU PLAY PASSIVELY OR DON'T WIN ANYTHING, YOU WILL EVENTUALLY BE SENT HOME. IN THIS GAME, WHEN YOU'RE IN TROUBLE, YOU NEED TO FIGURE WHERE PEOPLE STAND AND TRACK DOWN FOR SOME CRACKS. SAM - I THINK HIS FLAWS WERE A COMBINAISON OF LACK OF COMPETITION WINS & CHOOSING THE RIGHT ALLIES. BUT I THINK IT'S MAINLY COMPETITION WINS, BECAUSE IT NEVER GAVE HIM A CHANCE TO SHOW HIS CURRENT ALLIES WHERE HE ACTUALLY STOOD FOR REAL. AND LATER IN THE GAME, THAT KILLED HIM. WHEN YOU WIN HOH, SO MANY PEOPLE TRY TO SAVE THEMSELVES THAT IT COULD EASILY MAKE YOU SIT IN A GOOD SPOT. SO COMPETITION WINS ARE IMPORTANT IN THIS GAME AND HE DIDN'T HAVE THAT CHANCE. JANELLE - IT'S HARD TO PUT A FINGER ON WHERE SHE FAILED, AND I CAN'T SAY SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE COMPETITIVE BECAUSE SHE WAS, 7 HOURS FOR AN ENDURANCE EARLY IN THE GAME REALLY SHOWS WHAT SHE WAS CAPABLE OF, BUT MAYBE HER MISTAKE IS JUST... NOT HAVING THE RIGHT CARDS IN HANDS AT THE RIGHT TIME. THAT'S ALL I CAN THINK OF.
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Post by Helen Kim on Aug 24, 2013 14:03:50 GMT -4
Thanks for answering my question. After week three, I was always wary of you because going up on the block was a major red flag. Everything you said about me could also be said about you, but the difference is you seem to think your game is perfect where I realize that I did make mistakes in my game.
So I guess a follow up question after your responses, what mistakes did you make in your game?
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Post by chima on Aug 24, 2013 14:13:08 GMT -4
I WOULD SAY ONE MISTAKE IN THE GAME WAS NOT GET RID OF IVETTE WHEN I HAD A CHANCE. I'M INDEED LUCKY I HAD ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO GET RID OF HER, BUT SHE COULD REALLY GET SLIDE RIGHT THROUGH AND WIN. I JUST DIDN'T VIEW HER AS.. AS MUCH OF A JURY THREAT UNTIL GINA LEFT. I DID NOT ANALYSE THE JURY THREATENANCE EARLY ENOUGH.
ONE OTHER MISTAKE I REALLY REGRETTED IN THE GAME WAS WIN THE FINAL SEVEN HOH. I REALLY FELT LIKE THROWING IT, I KNEW EVERYONE HAD SUBMITTED THEIR ANSWERS, AND MY COMPETITIVENESS ENDED UP MAKING ME NOT THROW IT. I FEEL LIKE HAD YOU OR ELISSA WON THAT HOH, IT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE LED TO THE SAME THING? WHEN I COULD JUST WIN THE NEXT HOH. I JUST WON THAT HOH TOO EARLY IMO.
THEN I GUESS TALKING SMACK TO YOU RIGHT NOW? I GUESS WE JUST HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS, AND RIGHT NOW ALL THAT REMINDS ME OF IS OUR LITTLE FIGHT IN FINAL FOUR WHEN YOU WERE TRYING TO GET ME TO KEEP YOU.
LIKE... WHERE YOU EVEN KEEPING ME OVER ELISSA OR NOT IN THE FINAL FOUR? I'M CURIOUS.
I GUESS I CAN'T THINK OF MANY MORE MISTAKES, UNLESS YOU CAN BRING UP SOME? AND PUTTING YOU UP ON WEEK THREE WAS NOT ONE. IT WAS A MISTAKE, ETHICALLY, BUT NOT GAME-WISE.
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Post by Helen Kim on Aug 24, 2013 14:26:02 GMT -4
The thing about the final four scenario was that I had my two closest friends and allies in the game...and then I had you. I think gamewise, putting me up week three was not detrimental but I don't understand why you didn't even try to mend the gap between us after you severed my trust for you. At F4, in my mind, I had all of my bases covered. I had Ivette and Elissa, and for you, I tried DESPERATELY (after realizing that you wouldn't be the one to initiate a game conversation with me) to get back what I perceived as a good relationship we had in the first few weeks. I did the same to you as I did with Gina, but Gina was by far more receptive of my attempts to rekindle trust than you were, and that's why she was a fourth in our alliance and you weren't. You didn't try hard enough to get in my good graces, and while you may have had side bonds and deals we couldn't officially be aligned.
After Ivette won HoH, I struck a deal with you. I told you that I would evict Elissa if you promised that if you were the deciding vote you would keep me around. Elissa was always unpredictable in the game, but I knew that at final three, if you won you would evict Ivette and if Ivette won she would evict you. If I won, well, that's a choice that I really wasn't ready to make at that moment, but most likely since you showed that you honored our deal I would reward you for that. But, as we all know, you didn't honor our deal. And that's why playing the game was so frustrating with you. Every single deal or gametalk I made with you was either broken or went right to Ivette and Gina, so that's a mistake I think you made in your game. But, obviously, you're up there and I'm down here.
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Post by chima on Aug 24, 2013 14:29:11 GMT -4
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONVO WE HAD. BUT THAT 'PROMISE DEAL TO KEEP YOU' WAS ONLY A PROMISE TO KEEP YOU OVER IVETTE, NOT OVER ELISSA. YOU WERE MY TARGET ON FINAL FOUR, AND THAT'S WHY I HAD DIFFICULTY COMING TO YOU AND STRIKE SOMETHING WITH YOU, AND THIS IS THE BEST I COULD COME UP WITH. I DIDN'T TELL YOU I WAS GOING TO KEEP YOU OVER ELISSA. |
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Post by Helen Kim on Aug 24, 2013 14:34:08 GMT -4
Just because you didn't directly say "Okay, we have a deal" doesn't mean that we didn't haha. At the bottom, you told me "You could just not use the veto." So basically, that meant to me, if I won the veto and didn't use it, you would evict Elissa over me. Before that segment of the conversation you posted, we also talked about how you could definitely win endurance and how you would need me in the part 2 to win trivia, something that I excelled at about the past housemates. So yes, I did think we had a deal going on.
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